Two philosophy majors communicating through space and time about space and time, time and time again, in our own space, on our own time with Will, an econ major.

Monday, January 10, 2011

Friday, January 7, 2011



I found this interesting and thought it related to our topic of consciousness and the limits of our five senses to a higher or higher awareness.

Tuesday, January 4, 2011

Pale Blue Follow - Up

To answer your question regarding the state of confusion, there is much data supporting the undisputed fact that confusion can be induced both internally and externally.  My usage of the term 'confusion' was a reference to the internal reaction a new creature may have to the new external environment. But perhaps you are right, if the creature had just come into existence upon it's arrival on Earth, then maybe confusion could not occur because it's possible that in order to be confused, the brain would have to be comparing it to something else in order for it to process as confusion.  For example, I grow used to trees that have leaves high above the ground and land on a planet where the trees seem to grow from the top down.  I might feel confused because my brain has another context to compare the new tree to. 
My answer to my own questions are something along the following:
 
1.  My answer is simply, we can't know.  We can assume that in order to have a conscious one must be sentient, wakeful, possess a sense of the self, and so on.  But one of two things is happening in the pursuit of a definite understanding of consciousness: 1. We as humans are seeking yet another reason to believe and exercise a power over all other creatures in and out of this world by continuing to purport that consciousness simply applies only to creatures like ourselves, or 2. see number 1.  Or maybe, like math, consciousness and the understanding of it, is just another way we, as humans, go on trying to understand this very large universe we find ourselves in.  That being said, I agree with you that humans only experience a fraction of what actually is.  Which is why I find it humorous that we continue to believe that we are somehow more powerful than other beings simply because we have, 'concsiousness'.  Maybe it's not so much the superpower we make it out to be.
 
2.  This question was just a follow up to one.  Seeing as our experience of the world is limited to that of what we are (human), I believe we absolutely unequipped to make judgement on whether other creatures have possess the consciousness that we hold so dearly to our own kind.
 
You: "Also, should the way we behave or act alter knowing whether or not a creature not pertaining to the human form can encapsulate consciousness?"
 
I'm not sure about this question.  Are you asking if whether the way humans behave or act should change whether we know if a nonhuman creature may or may not have a consciousness?  Even when I rephrase it, it still doesn't make much sense.  Or maybe I'm just confused because the withdrawal of the alcohol I drank last night is inhibiting my brain function in some sense and causing me to be so. 

Sunday, January 2, 2011

re: Pale Blue Splat

How can we be sure that a creature not pertaining to the human form could encapsulate a consciousness?  I have no problem entertaining the possibility because it is of my nature to consider all things as conceivable, but I'm sure many so-called 'humanists' would disagree with the notion of a consious being outside of our own environment (I don't think E.T. would agree with them).

But for the purposes of conceivability, if I had been a non-human creature popping into existence orbiting and eventually landing on Earth with only the meager capability of the unfortunately short list of five 'human' senses, I suppose my experience would go something like this:

Clearness, pain, confusion, blurriness, focus, euphoria, and then pain again, followed by euphoria and an endless cycle of the above emotions.

What do you think it feels like to be a piece of soil, a giraffe, or an atom?  Does it 'feel' like anything?  How can we be sure that any other being does or does not have a conciousness?